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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Old Craywyn » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:21 am

HOW IS THE BIBLE THE OLDEST PIECE OF LITERATURE WHEN THERE IS LITERATURE FROM BC?! I can't even.......
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Hoj » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:04 pm

Old Craywyn wrote:HOW IS THE BIBLE THE OLDEST PIECE OF LITERATURE WHEN THERE IS LITERATURE FROM BC?! I can't even.......


Some of the books in the old testament, like the ones written by Moses, were written over a thousand years before Jesus was apparently born.

I can't even...

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Altho it's obv not the oldest piece of literature. And Taco is wrong about lots of things.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Svart likdöd helvete » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:32 pm

It's hard to define what a book is... According to the bible god wrote the ten holy commandments on rocks or clay, and made Moses carry them down from some mountain on his back, perhaps so that he (Moses) would realize that following the law of God is a burden, not a joy.

But are stones books? Are rune stones books? Are hieroglyphs carved onto a wall a book?
The oldest book in history according to some is the golden book found in Bulgaria.
http://www.ldsgenesisgroup.org/newsimag ... plates.jpg

The true age of the bible will newer be known, and claiming it to be the oldest book is fallacious when no evidence to support this of this statement can be verified.

The dead sea scrolls are from a few hundred years before Jesus was born. Are these the originals, tac0?
They certainly do tell more than the modern bible does, and reveals the true evil of the god you worship.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Hoj » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:09 pm

It would be ridiculous to claim the Bible can be trusted because of it's age. The pope's really old, too.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Svart likdöd helvete » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:19 pm

Well, let's say earth indeed WAS created 6000-something years ago- and the bible was equally old- would that not to some extent support the possibility of a CREATOR!?

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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Taco » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:03 pm

Svart likdöd helvete wrote:It's hard to define what a book is... According to the bible god wrote the ten holy commandments on rocks or clay, and made Moses carry them down from some mountain on his back, perhaps so that he (Moses) would realize that following the law of God is a burden, not a joy.

But are stones books? Are rune stones books? Are hieroglyphs carved onto a wall a book?
The oldest book in history according to some is the golden book found in Bulgaria.
http://www.ldsgenesisgroup.org/newsimag ... plates.jpg

The true age of the bible will newer be known, and claiming it to be the oldest book is fallacious when no evidence to support this of this statement can be verified.

The dead sea scrolls are from a few hundred years before Jesus was born. Are these the originals, tac0?
They certainly do tell more than the modern bible does, and reveals the true evil of the god you worship.


its hard to define what a book is? i never said the ten commandments was a book. i never even mentioned the word book.
Do you see why when you make your claims that God doesn't exist , i simply do not take them seriously? all you want to do is bash God.

and we cant ever know the true age of a man made piece of literature but we can know how old the earth is. take a course on archeology.
XD please just say it " i do not want to believe in God."

Svart likdöd helvete wrote: and reveals the true evil of the god you worship.


see, you hate God. you do not want evidence. you know he exists.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Svart likdöd helvete » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:11 pm

IF I believed in a almighty being, as you say, then how could i possibly hate him, her...or it?
By doing so I would condemn myself to Hell and spend my time there until judgment day. I don't think that's anyones preferred choice. Maybe I am inherently evil? But does that not mean that GOD -the designer- made me evil? Was it then not his wish for me to be evil?

If god really was omnipotent, then there would be no evil that was not to his liking.

Ergo: God created evil. God likes evil.


I've studied demonology, read Begone satan and the roman rituals. I know a lot about the subject of evil and god. The conclusion I and many before me (even practicing priests) have drawn, is that god created evil and that god IS evil.
The whole "god is good"-thing is localized only to america.
In europe God is considered something to fear and submit to. Our churches have depictions of demons, not saints.
Worshiping saints is worshiping false gods.


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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Hoj » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:14 pm

Taco wrote:we can know how old the earth is. take a course on archeology.
How old do you think it is?

Taco, I do not want to believe in a god.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Taco » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:19 pm

Svart likdöd helvete wrote:IF I believed in a almighty being, as you say, then how could i possibly hate him, her...or it?
By doing so I would condemn myself to Hell and spend my time there until judgment day. I don't think that's anyones preferred choice. Maybe I am inherently evil? But does that not mean that GOD -the designer- made me evil? Was it then not his wish for me to be evil?

If god really was omnipotent, then there would be no evil that was not to his liking.

Ergo: God created evil. God likes evil.


ergo God doesnt exsist there is no evil therefore you could never complain something is bad or terrible.

the fall made everyone commit evil. or sin. you are already condemmed to hell along with the whole world. if you dont think thats your preferred choice your lying to yourself.

Evil exists for various reasons. one being if evil did not exist we would not know what good is. because how can you measure somthing if not by what its not. law of non contradiction.

albin you know God exists, you hate him, and you openly rebel against him. surrender to him while theres still time. u have only to gain.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Svart likdöd helvete » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:26 pm

Taco, I am playing the devils advocate. I don't hate what does not exist. The only way to turn a christian is to point out the flaws in the bible. Reason and logic cannot turn a devoted christian.
Try convincing a north Korean man that he lives in a dictatorial police state.

It's hard to make a brainwashed man see reason.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Hoj » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:26 pm

Taco wrote:Evil exists for various reasons. one being if evil did not exist we would not know what good is. because how can you measure somthing if not by what its not. law of non contradiction.
When did you decide this?
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Taco » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:12 pm

Svart likdöd helvete wrote:Taco, I am playing the devils advocate. I don't hate what does not exist. The only way to turn a christian is to point out the flaws in the bible. Reason and logic cannot turn a devoted christian.
Try convincing a north Korean man that he lives in a dictatorial police state.

It's hard to make a brainwashed man see reason.


atheism is unreasonable and illogical. ive have seen thousands of atheistic dialogues between them and Muslims and Jews and Christians and other sects and the only reason i see a man not believing in God is simply because he does not want to. atheism cannot account for anything that it claims. its just like when you make an absolute statement that absolute's do not exist.

or that intelligent design isnt intelligent because a bone in the body is useless, not taking into account that we don't know what the creators intended purpose was so we cant really judge it.

lol and thats the ridiculous part. the existence of god is a philosophical position not a scientific position. it is why when Richard dawkins speaks he is mocked by philosophers that hes making the same arguments people have been making for thousands of years. the only reason some one does not believe in God is because he doesnt want to. any other reason is just an excuse for how he really feels
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Svart likdöd helvete » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:19 pm

atheism is unreasonable and illogical

Herp de derp. Atheism is not illogical nor unreasonable. In fact, it's the opposite. For something to be considered real, there must be evidence to support it's existence. ATHEISM is the lack of belief in a god. Not believing in something that is totally unreasonable is logical.


If I tell you a spaghetti monster exists in space, and I provide you with no evidence to support this- and you believe it - then you are being unreasonable and illogical.

Evil exists for various reasons. one being if evil did not exist we would not know what good is. because how can you measure somthing if not by what its not. law of non contradictio



So before lucifer was cast into the abyss, evil did not exist? How then, could lucifer have been evil in the first place?
Lucifer was made evil by god, and therefore tricked adam and eve into eating the forbidden fruit.
Free will would not have to include the freedom to be evil, if no such thing existed! All
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Taco » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:28 pm

Svart likdöd helvete wrote:
atheism is unreasonable and illogical

Herp de derp. Atheism is not illogical nor unreasonable. In fact, it's the opposite. For something to be considered real, there must be evidence to support it's existence. ATHEISM is the lack of belief in a god. Not believing in something that is totally unreasonable is logical.


If I tell you a spaghetti monster exists in space, and I provide you with no evidence to support this- and you believe it - then you are being unreasonable and illogical.


no its not logical why do you make the claim that something does not exist without evidence that it does not exist? prove your claim.
the spegetti monster does not exsist because a monster is by definition scary. spagetti is not scary. falls apart on it self. :P
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Svart likdöd helvete » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:32 pm

Svart likdöd helvete wrote:If I tell you a spaghetti monster exists in space, and I provide you with no evidence to support this- and you believe it - then you are being unreasonable and illogical.


the spegetti monster does not exsist because a monster is by definition scary. spagetti is not scary. falls apart on it self. :P

Jesus, taco. You just got owned by logic and the mind of a reasonable individual.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Old Craywyn » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:44 am

I've been reading this and Taco you literally just don't make any sense :/
I'm quite quite mad

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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Taco » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:02 pm

Albina's been wrong about everything thus far. its why his posts are getting smaller and he addresses nothing that say, There is plenty of evidence for God. Atheism does not account for anything. to some it up you cannot make the claim God does not Exist with out providing evidence. you are by default an agnostic whether u like it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KBx4vvlbZ8
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Old Craywyn » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:08 pm

Jesus Christ....
I'm quite quite mad

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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Hoj » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:10 pm

Taco wrote:Albina's been wrong about everything thus far.

No :)
Taco wrote:its why his posts are getting smaller and he addresses nothing that say

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Taco wrote:There is plenty of evidence for God

No.
Taco wrote:Atheism does not account for anything.

It's not supposed to.
Taco wrote:to some it up you cannot make the claim God does not Exist with out providing evidence.

Lol. Just lol.
Taco wrote:you are by default an agnostic whether u like it or not.

Nope.
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Re: Watch this tac0, and become an atheist

Postby Svart likdöd helvete » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:16 pm

Taco wrote:Albina's been wrong about everything thus far. its why his posts are getting smaller and he addresses nothing that say, There is plenty of evidence for God. Atheism does not account for anything. to some it up you cannot make the claim God does not Exist with out providing evidence. you are by default an agnostic whether u like it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KBx4vvlbZ8



The reason my posts are getting smaller is because I'm basically saying the same thing over and over again, and no matter how simple i try to put it to you, you just don get it.
You are the one who fails to see the truth. You make stupid claims like "atheism is unreasonable and illogical", and we show you why it isn't, yet you respond in a childish manner not providing any evidence for your statements.

Look at the bolded qute below
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no its not logical why do you make the claim that something does not exist without evidence that it does not exist? prove your claim.
the spegetti monster does not exsist because a monster is by definition scary. spagetti is not scary. falls apart on it self. :P


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